the supreme court upheld voter id laws in indiana, but now the doj has challenged those laws in south carolina and, now, texas. jay, why, why -- no, let me start with julian. why is the doj doing this? >> let him defend, okay. >> yeah, okay, fine. [laughter] i think for two reasons. one is voter impersonation is a problem that just doesn't exist in this country. it's been studied in the kansas, ohio, all around the country. the advocates of voter identification laws have never put forward any evidence that voter impersonation occurs on any substantial scale whatsoever. section five of the voting rights act requires when the a state puts in place a law effecting voting rights, it has to be clear that it's not discriminatory. that law was passed overwhelm withingly with bipartisan support, and the data shows right now this would diso proportionately effect hispanics, many of them living in areas where dmvs are open very few hours a month. so the benefit is minimal because the problem of voter impersonation doesn't exist. the potential downside is you could have serious discrimination. a